Toucans Meeting 2
7:57:35 PM Rafiki2588: Good evening to you, sir
7:57:41 PM John: heyo
7:57:52 PM Rafiki2588: and where is madam Berringer?
7:57:59 PM John: not sure
7:58:02 PM John: let wait a bit
7:59:07 PM Rafiki2588: i noticed that wasn't "let's" (Let us) it was
"let" (Let me [as in just you])
7:59:15 PM ctsoccer13: hi all
7:59:17 PM Rafiki2588: sup chase
7:59:20 PM John: hey
7:59:40 PM John: we're gonna wait a lil before we start, to see if alicia
shows
7:59:57 PM ctsoccer13: ok, that's fine
8:02:01 PM Rafiki2588: john where the hell did u put my highlighter
8:02:12 PM Rafiki2588: ahhahhaa alicia just checked out
8:02:48 PM John: i see that, sell danielle said she wasn't gonna make it
so i guess we can start and hold another meeting later this week
8:02:56 PM John: well, not sell
8:04:05 PM Rafiki2588: ok
8:04:10 PM John: Well, we need to come up with a subject to write this
proposal on... any ideas?
8:04:27 PM ctsoccer13: well, it says something that interests you
8:04:31 PM ctsoccer13: so what are you guys interested in?
8:04:33 PM Rafiki2588: Airplanes sex and sleep
8:04:54 PM ctsoccer13: the effects of high altitudes on the performance of
sex and sleep
8:05:06 PM Rafiki2588: sounds good to me
8:05:08 PM ctsoccer13: haha
8:05:21 PM John: possible, but might be kinda hard to find info on that
8:05:26 PM Rafiki2588: hard for sure
8:05:28 PM John: hey alicia
8:05:31 PM Rafiki2588: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
8:05:33 PM ctsoccer13: haha
8:05:33 PM Rafiki2588: what's up alicia
8:05:38 PM ctsoccer13: hey alicia
8:05:43 PM Alicia1741: heyy sorry i was trying to log into vista for
forever lol
8:05:57 PM Rafiki2588: vista went off the reservation...
8:06:01 PM Rafiki2588: ...again
8:06:08 PM Alicia1741: yeeeah i noticed
8:06:27 PM Alicia1741: so any ideas so far
8:06:30 PM Alicia1741: ?
8:06:30 PM Rafiki2588: nope
8:06:31 PM ctsoccer13: so, were talking about what interests us
8:06:34 PM ctsoccer13: brainstorming
8:06:36 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:06:39 PM ctsoccer13: whatcha got, alicia?
8:06:45 PM Alicia1741: ick
8:06:47 PM Alicia1741: haha
8:06:56 PM John: hhhmmmm......
8:07:09 PM ctsoccer13: well, we've come up with airplanes, sex, and sleep
so far
8:07:22 PM Alicia1741: haha nice
8:07:24 PM Rafiki2588: let's propose to build an airport somewhere really
controversial
8:07:30 PM Rafiki2588: or
8:07:33 PM ctsoccer13: i'm a tech-head--i like technology... and i'll add
drinking into the mix
8:07:58 PM Rafiki2588: hahaha speaking of drinking, my roomie just gave me
a shot glass from mt. rushmore
8:08:03 PM Rafiki2588: if that helps anyone think better...
8:08:16 PM ctsoccer13: ugh... after spring break, the thought of alcohol...
8:08:22 PM Alicia1741: i agree
8:08:23 PM Alicia1741: ugh
8:09:01 PM John: heres the requirements.....
# is large enough to write 8-10 pages about
# holds considerable interest for you, as you will spend a lot of time
researching and writing about the subject
# lends itself to both a written report and an online presentation on your
findings
# is common enough that you will not have trouble locating source of
information
# can be handled as a group project
8:09:51 PM Rafiki2588: Everyone list a proposable topic that interests you
8:09:57 PM Rafiki2588: Such as, building a new airport
8:09:59 PM Rafiki2588: a new resort
8:10:02 PM Rafiki2588: ...
8:10:18 PM ctsoccer13: could we do an 8-10 page report on that though?
8:10:38 PM Rafiki2588: they write 20,000 pages on new airports
8:10:56 PM John: yes... but that is THEM
8:11:03 PM Rafiki2588: think of all the impacts that an airport has on a
community
8:11:08 PM Rafiki2588: economy (commerce)
8:11:12 PM Rafiki2588: tourism
8:11:16 PM Alicia1741: airport... where?
8:11:18 PM Rafiki2588: healthcare (medical flights)(
8:11:20 PM Alicia1741: we have rdu...
8:11:24 PM Rafiki2588: environmental impacts
8:11:38 PM Alicia1741: it's 15 minutes away
8:11:42 PM Rafiki2588: hahahaha i know that was just a suggestion,surely
you guys have interesting topics too
8:11:47 PM Rafiki2588: cuz i know mine aren't
8:12:07 PM ctsoccer13: it'd be cool to do something related to college life
8:12:12 PM Alicia1741: creativity is not my strong point :-\
8:12:18 PM John: well, do ya'll understand exactly what were gonna be
doing with this project?
8:12:21 PM ctsoccer13: i was trying to think around that, but i'm not
coming up with anything substantial
8:12:21 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:12:44 PM ctsoccer13: we're writing a report and doing some sort of
online presentation
8:12:47 PM ctsoccer13: website, perhaps?
8:13:03 PM Alicia1741: that might be cool
8:13:13 PM John: k
8:13:24 PM John: just makin sure were all on the same page
8:14:12 PM ctsoccer13: the effects of a college campus on a city?
8:14:13 PM Rafiki2588: what exactly is the project topic though? Not
specifics or anything but Are we supposed to follow some sort of topic
selection procedure, does this project have some purpose? Or can we write
a report on sub-saharran wildlife
8:14:27 PM ctsoccer13: it's very broad
8:14:35 PM Alicia1741:
http://courses.ncsu.edu/
8:14:40 PM ctsoccer13: almost too broad...
8:14:43 PM John: thats the point of the proposal
8:14:47 PM Alicia1741: go there, she has 3 different examples of what we
can do
8:14:53 PM Rafiki2588: the effect of delinquent college students dragging
down the economy of the local township
8:15:00 PM John: to see if our topic is "worthy"
8:15:11 PM Alicia1741: would we be able to find information on that?
8:15:34 PM ctsoccer13: haha, i just know that raleigh thrives on NCSU
8:15:35 PM Rafiki2588: ok i get it
8:15:48 PM Rafiki2588: so number one seams deathly dull and boring
8:15:51 PM Rafiki2588: 2 and 3 seem cool
8:16:00 PM ctsoccer13: and i'm sure there are other cities that would be
specs on a map without their respsective campuses
8:16:08 PM Alicia1741: yeah
8:16:16 PM ctsoccer13: as for 8-10 pages...
8:16:17 PM Alicia1741: i think colleges probably help the local economy
more than harm it
8:16:18 PM ctsoccer13: i dont know
8:16:20 PM Rafiki2588: like Ann Arbor
8:16:26 PM Rafiki2588: Michigan
8:16:29 PM Alicia1741: dude
8:16:32 PM Alicia1741: are you from there
8:16:34 PM Rafiki2588: no
8:16:38 PM ctsoccer13: lol
8:16:38 PM Alicia1741: lol i'm from the area
8:16:56 PM Rafiki2588: when u subtract University of michigan from Ann
Arbor what is left?
8:17:16 PM ctsoccer13: a bunch of businesses with no customers
8:17:23 PM Rafiki2588: ah
8:17:32 PM Alicia1741: right. but how would we find information on
something like that?
8:17:49 PM ctsoccer13: maybe we should do a more pressing issue
8:18:00 PM John: like?
8:18:01 PM ctsoccer13: like alternate fuel sources or something
8:18:07 PM Rafiki2588: banning of vehicles on the outer banks of north
carolina?
8:18:14 PM John: why?
8:18:22 PM Rafiki2588: on the beaches there is a ton of wildlife
8:18:28 PM Rafiki2588: and the suv's run over it all the time
8:18:31 PM Rafiki2588: that's the argument
8:18:41 PM John: its called road kill
8:18:43 PM Alicia1741: so what would be the alternative to vehicles
8:18:44 PM Rafiki2588: but SUV's on the beach also attracts enormous
numbers of people to go fishing
8:18:49 PM Rafiki2588: walking
8:18:54 PM Alicia1741: lol
8:18:57 PM ctsoccer13: is it supposed to be an argumentative paper or a
report on something?
8:18:58 PM Alicia1741: that's a long walk
8:19:14 PM John: i dont think its an arguement
8:19:27 PM John: so much as just a compilation of reasearch
8:19:27 PM Rafiki2588: we could do a report on the environmental impacts
of [your ideas here[
8:19:32 PM Alicia1741: it can be a research report, or a proposal of some
sort, or a comparative analysis
8:19:44 PM John: airports in densly populated areas
8:19:48 PM Rafiki2588: yeaaaaaaaaaaaa
8:19:52 PM Rafiki2588: i know loads about that stuff
8:20:07 PM ctsoccer13: haha, i'm glad you do... i'd be little help without
google on that one
8:20:14 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:20:16 PM Alicia1741: ditto
8:20:34 PM Rafiki2588: but the point is doing "research for the sake of
research"
8:20:47 PM John: and?
8:20:48 PM ctsoccer13: ah yes... busy work
8:21:01 PM Rafiki2588: that's the definition of project isnt it?
8:21:03 PM Rafiki2588: lol
8:21:12 PM ctsoccer13: we could do a conglomerative paper of all our
interests...
8:21:23 PM ctsoccer13: talk about what the world would be like in 2020 or
something
8:21:37 PM ctsoccer13: with the rate of increasing technology, expanding
population, economies
8:22:11 PM ctsoccer13: and... airpors
8:22:14 PM ctsoccer13: airports*
8:22:15 PM Alicia1741: hahaha
8:22:30 PM John: is that too broad?
8:22:39 PM ctsoccer13: probably... just an idea
8:22:51 PM John: just narrow it down
8:22:54 PM Alicia1741: i kind of liked the idea of fuel efficient cars
8:22:58 PM Alicia1741: it'd be easy
8:23:03 PM Alicia1741: there's tons of stuff out there
8:23:08 PM ctsoccer13: yea, that's a big issue right now
8:23:12 PM Rafiki2588: fuel efficient cars are cool
8:23:13 PM ctsoccer13: with electric, solar, hydrogen
8:23:17 PM ctsoccer13: hybrids
8:23:22 PM Alicia1741: yep
8:23:22 PM ctsoccer13: even air-powered
8:23:30 PM Rafiki2588: i dont know much about them so it'll be cool to
"research them for the sake of research itself"
8:23:41 PM Alicia1741: lol
8:23:48 PM ctsoccer13: as long as it interests you
8:23:56 PM ctsoccer13: otherwise, researching sucks
8:24:20 PM ctsoccer13: such as if i was to research shakesperean poetry
8:24:29 PM ctsoccer13: i'd kill myself
8:24:38 PM Alicia1741: haha yes definitely
8:24:48 PM John: well im down with that idea
8:24:56 PM Rafiki2588: cool
8:25:12 PM Rafiki2588: they use only hydrogen powered busses at Orlando
International airport
8:25:27 PM Alicia1741: one track mind?
8:25:31 PM Rafiki2588: I'm just playin
8:25:32 PM ctsoccer13: lol
8:25:36 PM Alicia1741: haha
8:25:51 PM ctsoccer13: hmm... one of the example proposals is "Alternative
fuel"
8:26:05 PM ctsoccer13: think she'd care?
8:26:12 PM John: nah
8:26:13 PM Rafiki2588: i dunno
8:26:17 PM Rafiki2588: she seems like she wouldnt
8:26:27 PM John: as long as we specify, cars
8:26:32 PM Alicia1741: i don't think so... cause they probably did a
proposal and not a research paper right?
8:26:45 PM ctsoccer13: yea, its an example proposal
8:27:17 PM John: matt, do you remember what we did our group project on in
ENG101?
8:27:20 PM ctsoccer13: when's the proposal due?
8:27:26 PM John: friday
8:27:43 PM Rafiki2588: cool
8:27:47 PM Rafiki2588: um
8:27:48 PM Rafiki2588: no
8:27:56 PM John: alternative energy
8:28:09 PM Rafiki2588: i see my focus hasn't improved
8:28:15 PM John: geothermal, hydroelectric, nuclear, wind
8:28:24 PM John: but that was in power plants
8:28:27 PM John: this is vehicles
8:28:53 PM ctsoccer13: the goal for a lot of the electric cars is to feed
into the power grid during peak hours
8:28:54 PM Rafiki2588: well there's hydrogen, electric, hybrid, air
powered, diesel, gas
8:29:02 PM ctsoccer13: thus pulling from your car when there's a high demand
8:29:21 PM ctsoccer13: not sure how that's related... just stumbled across
it while you were mentioning power plants
8:29:24 PM Alicia1741: ok, if you look at the example that she has of
alternative energy, it's a proposal of replacing fossil fuels with
hydrogen, whereas ours could just be research of all the different
alternatives out there
8:29:50 PM Rafiki2588: ok so we'd be fine using this as the second topic
type "research"
8:30:23 PM ctsoccer13: there's biodiesel too
8:30:25 PM Alicia1741: that's what i'm thinkin
8:30:28 PM ctsoccer13: and ehtanol
8:30:30 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:30:38 PM ctsoccer13: our buses do ethanol-based fuels, i think...
8:30:53 PM Rafiki2588: so we'd could talk about how harvesting the corn to
produce methanol uses more fuel than it produces
8:30:54 PM ctsoccer13: or biodiesel.. one of the two
8:31:07 PM ctsoccer13: yea, i've heard that
8:31:18 PM Rafiki2588: its like negative efficiency
8:31:21 PM ctsoccer13: but, it'd be a good point to make in it
8:31:30 PM Rafiki2588: yea definitely
8:31:41 PM ctsoccer13: hydrogen also takes a lot of fossil fuels to purify
and liquify
8:31:47 PM ctsoccer13: for now, at least
8:31:55 PM Rafiki2588: yup
8:32:20 PM Rafiki2588: and with our current technology its almost
impossible to stick in a regular car because of its storage requirements
8:32:34 PM ctsoccer13: we could talk about the effects of the switching to
these fuels on the automobile industry and major oil companies too
8:32:36 PM Rafiki2588: (hi pressure, lo temp, etc...)
8:32:41 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:32:55 PM ctsoccer13: you know exxon and them would hate it
8:32:58 PM ctsoccer13: and will fight it
8:33:28 PM ctsoccer13: alright... we got the idea, i think
8:33:45 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:33:50 PM ctsoccer13: lets focus, for now, on divvying up the proposal parts
8:33:58 PM Alicia1741: ok so we need to write 2-3 pages proposing our idea
8:34:11 PM John: and make a schedule
8:34:16 PM Alicia1741: i don't know how we would divide that up?
8:34:31 PM Rafiki2588: Make john do the whole thing by himself
8:34:44 PM ctsoccer13: intro, problem, objective, schedule
8:34:47 PM ctsoccer13: conclusion
8:34:47 PM John: like in ENG1o1
8:34:55 PM ctsoccer13: lol... ouch
8:35:29 PM Rafiki2588: we each jot down some bullet points and someone
strings them all together or we can break it down the way chase said,
though this is a communications class and we would need to adopt a sort of
universal style so it doesnt seem like 5 people wrote it
8:35:41 PM John: QQ... whens everyone free thursday night?
8:36:05 PM Rafiki2588: im free all night thursday after 415
8:36:14 PM Alicia1741: i have class till 8:45
8:36:20 PM Alicia1741: so.. 9
8:36:47 PM Alicia1741: but i have 2 tests on friday too
8:36:50 PM Alicia1741: sooo... thursday sucks
8:36:51 PM Alicia1741: lol
8:36:55 PM John: wednesday?
8:36:59 PM Alicia1741: mucho better
8:37:07 PM John: tiempo?
8:37:08 PM Rafiki2588: i can do wednesday any time after 415
8:37:09 PM ctsoccer13: done at 5:30 on wed
8:37:20 PM Alicia1741: anytime after 5
8:37:20 PM John: how bout this.....
8:37:49 PM ctsoccer13: such suspense...
8:38:04 PM Rafiki2588: u write the whole thing by yourself
8:38:05 PM John: we each do some research and write our own mini proposal,
get together on wednesday, and combine them
8:38:05 PM Rafiki2588: ?
8:38:06 PM Rafiki2588: lol
8:38:15 PM Alicia1741: i think that sounds good
8:38:22 PM Rafiki2588: k
8:38:23 PM ctsoccer13: works for me
8:38:26 PM ctsoccer13: what time on wed
8:38:29 PM John: 7?
8:38:36 PM Rafiki2588: k
8:38:37 PM Alicia1741: sure
8:38:54 PM ctsoccer13: works
8:38:57 PM John: as a recap, our exact topic is?
8:39:17 PM Alicia1741: researching alternative energy for automobiles
8:39:18 PM Rafiki2588: alternative fuel powered cars
8:39:25 PM Rafiki2588: damn she beat me to it
8:39:28 PM Alicia1741: haha
8:39:29 PM John: LOSER
8:39:30 PM Alicia1741: yesssss
8:39:38 PM Rafiki2588:
8:39:55 PM ctsoccer13: alright, i got dinner calling my name
8:40:00 PM John: enjoy
8:40:01 PM ctsoccer13: see you all on wed
8:40:04 PM Alicia1741: alright guys, 7 on wednesday
8:40:04 PM Rafiki2588: later
8:40:05 PM Alicia1741: bye
Topic for proposal: Alternative fuels in vehicles
HW: write a mini-proposal to discuss and combine with others at next meeting
Next Meeting: Wednesday 3/11/09 @ 7PM
7:57:41 PM John: heyo
7:57:52 PM Rafiki2588: and where is madam Berringer?
7:57:59 PM John: not sure
7:58:02 PM John: let wait a bit
7:59:07 PM Rafiki2588: i noticed that wasn't "let's" (Let us) it was
"let" (Let me [as in just you])
7:59:15 PM ctsoccer13: hi all
7:59:17 PM Rafiki2588: sup chase
7:59:20 PM John: hey
7:59:40 PM John: we're gonna wait a lil before we start, to see if alicia
shows
7:59:57 PM ctsoccer13: ok, that's fine
8:02:01 PM Rafiki2588: john where the hell did u put my highlighter
8:02:12 PM Rafiki2588: ahhahhaa alicia just checked out
8:02:48 PM John: i see that, sell danielle said she wasn't gonna make it
so i guess we can start and hold another meeting later this week
8:02:56 PM John: well, not sell
8:04:05 PM Rafiki2588: ok
8:04:10 PM John: Well, we need to come up with a subject to write this
proposal on... any ideas?
8:04:27 PM ctsoccer13: well, it says something that interests you
8:04:31 PM ctsoccer13: so what are you guys interested in?
8:04:33 PM Rafiki2588: Airplanes sex and sleep
8:04:54 PM ctsoccer13: the effects of high altitudes on the performance of
sex and sleep
8:05:06 PM Rafiki2588: sounds good to me
8:05:08 PM ctsoccer13: haha
8:05:21 PM John: possible, but might be kinda hard to find info on that
8:05:26 PM Rafiki2588: hard for sure
8:05:28 PM John: hey alicia
8:05:31 PM Rafiki2588: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
8:05:33 PM ctsoccer13: haha
8:05:33 PM Rafiki2588: what's up alicia
8:05:38 PM ctsoccer13: hey alicia
8:05:43 PM Alicia1741: heyy sorry i was trying to log into vista for
forever lol
8:05:57 PM Rafiki2588: vista went off the reservation...
8:06:01 PM Rafiki2588: ...again
8:06:08 PM Alicia1741: yeeeah i noticed
8:06:27 PM Alicia1741: so any ideas so far
8:06:30 PM Alicia1741: ?
8:06:30 PM Rafiki2588: nope
8:06:31 PM ctsoccer13: so, were talking about what interests us
8:06:34 PM ctsoccer13: brainstorming
8:06:36 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:06:39 PM ctsoccer13: whatcha got, alicia?
8:06:45 PM Alicia1741: ick
8:06:47 PM Alicia1741: haha
8:06:56 PM John: hhhmmmm......
8:07:09 PM ctsoccer13: well, we've come up with airplanes, sex, and sleep
so far
8:07:22 PM Alicia1741: haha nice
8:07:24 PM Rafiki2588: let's propose to build an airport somewhere really
controversial
8:07:30 PM Rafiki2588: or
8:07:33 PM ctsoccer13: i'm a tech-head--i like technology... and i'll add
drinking into the mix
8:07:58 PM Rafiki2588: hahaha speaking of drinking, my roomie just gave me
a shot glass from mt. rushmore
8:08:03 PM Rafiki2588: if that helps anyone think better...
8:08:16 PM ctsoccer13: ugh... after spring break, the thought of alcohol...
8:08:22 PM Alicia1741: i agree
8:08:23 PM Alicia1741: ugh
8:09:01 PM John: heres the requirements.....
# is large enough to write 8-10 pages about
# holds considerable interest for you, as you will spend a lot of time
researching and writing about the subject
# lends itself to both a written report and an online presentation on your
findings
# is common enough that you will not have trouble locating source of
information
# can be handled as a group project
8:09:51 PM Rafiki2588: Everyone list a proposable topic that interests you
8:09:57 PM Rafiki2588: Such as, building a new airport
8:09:59 PM Rafiki2588: a new resort
8:10:02 PM Rafiki2588: ...
8:10:18 PM ctsoccer13: could we do an 8-10 page report on that though?
8:10:38 PM Rafiki2588: they write 20,000 pages on new airports
8:10:56 PM John: yes... but that is THEM
8:11:03 PM Rafiki2588: think of all the impacts that an airport has on a
community
8:11:08 PM Rafiki2588: economy (commerce)
8:11:12 PM Rafiki2588: tourism
8:11:16 PM Alicia1741: airport... where?
8:11:18 PM Rafiki2588: healthcare (medical flights)(
8:11:20 PM Alicia1741: we have rdu...
8:11:24 PM Rafiki2588: environmental impacts
8:11:38 PM Alicia1741: it's 15 minutes away
8:11:42 PM Rafiki2588: hahahaha i know that was just a suggestion,surely
you guys have interesting topics too
8:11:47 PM Rafiki2588: cuz i know mine aren't
8:12:07 PM ctsoccer13: it'd be cool to do something related to college life
8:12:12 PM Alicia1741: creativity is not my strong point :-\
8:12:18 PM John: well, do ya'll understand exactly what were gonna be
doing with this project?
8:12:21 PM ctsoccer13: i was trying to think around that, but i'm not
coming up with anything substantial
8:12:21 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:12:44 PM ctsoccer13: we're writing a report and doing some sort of
online presentation
8:12:47 PM ctsoccer13: website, perhaps?
8:13:03 PM Alicia1741: that might be cool
8:13:13 PM John: k
8:13:24 PM John: just makin sure were all on the same page
8:14:12 PM ctsoccer13: the effects of a college campus on a city?
8:14:13 PM Rafiki2588: what exactly is the project topic though? Not
specifics or anything but Are we supposed to follow some sort of topic
selection procedure, does this project have some purpose? Or can we write
a report on sub-saharran wildlife
8:14:27 PM ctsoccer13: it's very broad
8:14:35 PM Alicia1741:
http://courses.ncsu.edu/
8:14:40 PM ctsoccer13: almost too broad...
8:14:43 PM John: thats the point of the proposal
8:14:47 PM Alicia1741: go there, she has 3 different examples of what we
can do
8:14:53 PM Rafiki2588: the effect of delinquent college students dragging
down the economy of the local township
8:15:00 PM John: to see if our topic is "worthy"
8:15:11 PM Alicia1741: would we be able to find information on that?
8:15:34 PM ctsoccer13: haha, i just know that raleigh thrives on NCSU
8:15:35 PM Rafiki2588: ok i get it
8:15:48 PM Rafiki2588: so number one seams deathly dull and boring
8:15:51 PM Rafiki2588: 2 and 3 seem cool
8:16:00 PM ctsoccer13: and i'm sure there are other cities that would be
specs on a map without their respsective campuses
8:16:08 PM Alicia1741: yeah
8:16:16 PM ctsoccer13: as for 8-10 pages...
8:16:17 PM Alicia1741: i think colleges probably help the local economy
more than harm it
8:16:18 PM ctsoccer13: i dont know
8:16:20 PM Rafiki2588: like Ann Arbor
8:16:26 PM Rafiki2588: Michigan
8:16:29 PM Alicia1741: dude
8:16:32 PM Alicia1741: are you from there
8:16:34 PM Rafiki2588: no
8:16:38 PM ctsoccer13: lol
8:16:38 PM Alicia1741: lol i'm from the area
8:16:56 PM Rafiki2588: when u subtract University of michigan from Ann
Arbor what is left?
8:17:16 PM ctsoccer13: a bunch of businesses with no customers
8:17:23 PM Rafiki2588: ah
8:17:32 PM Alicia1741: right. but how would we find information on
something like that?
8:17:49 PM ctsoccer13: maybe we should do a more pressing issue
8:18:00 PM John: like?
8:18:01 PM ctsoccer13: like alternate fuel sources or something
8:18:07 PM Rafiki2588: banning of vehicles on the outer banks of north
carolina?
8:18:14 PM John: why?
8:18:22 PM Rafiki2588: on the beaches there is a ton of wildlife
8:18:28 PM Rafiki2588: and the suv's run over it all the time
8:18:31 PM Rafiki2588: that's the argument
8:18:41 PM John: its called road kill
8:18:43 PM Alicia1741: so what would be the alternative to vehicles
8:18:44 PM Rafiki2588: but SUV's on the beach also attracts enormous
numbers of people to go fishing
8:18:49 PM Rafiki2588: walking
8:18:54 PM Alicia1741: lol
8:18:57 PM ctsoccer13: is it supposed to be an argumentative paper or a
report on something?
8:18:58 PM Alicia1741: that's a long walk
8:19:14 PM John: i dont think its an arguement
8:19:27 PM John: so much as just a compilation of reasearch
8:19:27 PM Rafiki2588: we could do a report on the environmental impacts
of [your ideas here[
8:19:32 PM Alicia1741: it can be a research report, or a proposal of some
sort, or a comparative analysis
8:19:44 PM John: airports in densly populated areas
8:19:48 PM Rafiki2588: yeaaaaaaaaaaaa
8:19:52 PM Rafiki2588: i know loads about that stuff
8:20:07 PM ctsoccer13: haha, i'm glad you do... i'd be little help without
google on that one
8:20:14 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:20:16 PM Alicia1741: ditto
8:20:34 PM Rafiki2588: but the point is doing "research for the sake of
research"
8:20:47 PM John: and?
8:20:48 PM ctsoccer13: ah yes... busy work
8:21:01 PM Rafiki2588: that's the definition of project isnt it?
8:21:03 PM Rafiki2588: lol
8:21:12 PM ctsoccer13: we could do a conglomerative paper of all our
interests...
8:21:23 PM ctsoccer13: talk about what the world would be like in 2020 or
something
8:21:37 PM ctsoccer13: with the rate of increasing technology, expanding
population, economies
8:22:11 PM ctsoccer13: and... airpors
8:22:14 PM ctsoccer13: airports*
8:22:15 PM Alicia1741: hahaha
8:22:30 PM John: is that too broad?
8:22:39 PM ctsoccer13: probably... just an idea
8:22:51 PM John: just narrow it down
8:22:54 PM Alicia1741: i kind of liked the idea of fuel efficient cars
8:22:58 PM Alicia1741: it'd be easy
8:23:03 PM Alicia1741: there's tons of stuff out there
8:23:08 PM ctsoccer13: yea, that's a big issue right now
8:23:12 PM Rafiki2588: fuel efficient cars are cool
8:23:13 PM ctsoccer13: with electric, solar, hydrogen
8:23:17 PM ctsoccer13: hybrids
8:23:22 PM Alicia1741: yep
8:23:22 PM ctsoccer13: even air-powered
8:23:30 PM Rafiki2588: i dont know much about them so it'll be cool to
"research them for the sake of research itself"
8:23:41 PM Alicia1741: lol
8:23:48 PM ctsoccer13: as long as it interests you
8:23:56 PM ctsoccer13: otherwise, researching sucks
8:24:20 PM ctsoccer13: such as if i was to research shakesperean poetry
8:24:29 PM ctsoccer13: i'd kill myself
8:24:38 PM Alicia1741: haha yes definitely
8:24:48 PM John: well im down with that idea
8:24:56 PM Rafiki2588: cool
8:25:12 PM Rafiki2588: they use only hydrogen powered busses at Orlando
International airport
8:25:27 PM Alicia1741: one track mind?
8:25:31 PM Rafiki2588: I'm just playin
8:25:32 PM ctsoccer13: lol
8:25:36 PM Alicia1741: haha
8:25:51 PM ctsoccer13: hmm... one of the example proposals is "Alternative
fuel"
8:26:05 PM ctsoccer13: think she'd care?
8:26:12 PM John: nah
8:26:13 PM Rafiki2588: i dunno
8:26:17 PM Rafiki2588: she seems like she wouldnt
8:26:27 PM John: as long as we specify, cars
8:26:32 PM Alicia1741: i don't think so... cause they probably did a
proposal and not a research paper right?
8:26:45 PM ctsoccer13: yea, its an example proposal
8:27:17 PM John: matt, do you remember what we did our group project on in
ENG101?
8:27:20 PM ctsoccer13: when's the proposal due?
8:27:26 PM John: friday
8:27:43 PM Rafiki2588: cool
8:27:47 PM Rafiki2588: um
8:27:48 PM Rafiki2588: no
8:27:56 PM John: alternative energy
8:28:09 PM Rafiki2588: i see my focus hasn't improved
8:28:15 PM John: geothermal, hydroelectric, nuclear, wind
8:28:24 PM John: but that was in power plants
8:28:27 PM John: this is vehicles
8:28:53 PM ctsoccer13: the goal for a lot of the electric cars is to feed
into the power grid during peak hours
8:28:54 PM Rafiki2588: well there's hydrogen, electric, hybrid, air
powered, diesel, gas
8:29:02 PM ctsoccer13: thus pulling from your car when there's a high demand
8:29:21 PM ctsoccer13: not sure how that's related... just stumbled across
it while you were mentioning power plants
8:29:24 PM Alicia1741: ok, if you look at the example that she has of
alternative energy, it's a proposal of replacing fossil fuels with
hydrogen, whereas ours could just be research of all the different
alternatives out there
8:29:50 PM Rafiki2588: ok so we'd be fine using this as the second topic
type "research"
8:30:23 PM ctsoccer13: there's biodiesel too
8:30:25 PM Alicia1741: that's what i'm thinkin
8:30:28 PM ctsoccer13: and ehtanol
8:30:30 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:30:38 PM ctsoccer13: our buses do ethanol-based fuels, i think...
8:30:53 PM Rafiki2588: so we'd could talk about how harvesting the corn to
produce methanol uses more fuel than it produces
8:30:54 PM ctsoccer13: or biodiesel.. one of the two
8:31:07 PM ctsoccer13: yea, i've heard that
8:31:18 PM Rafiki2588: its like negative efficiency
8:31:21 PM ctsoccer13: but, it'd be a good point to make in it
8:31:30 PM Rafiki2588: yea definitely
8:31:41 PM ctsoccer13: hydrogen also takes a lot of fossil fuels to purify
and liquify
8:31:47 PM ctsoccer13: for now, at least
8:31:55 PM Rafiki2588: yup
8:32:20 PM Rafiki2588: and with our current technology its almost
impossible to stick in a regular car because of its storage requirements
8:32:34 PM ctsoccer13: we could talk about the effects of the switching to
these fuels on the automobile industry and major oil companies too
8:32:36 PM Rafiki2588: (hi pressure, lo temp, etc...)
8:32:41 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:32:55 PM ctsoccer13: you know exxon and them would hate it
8:32:58 PM ctsoccer13: and will fight it
8:33:28 PM ctsoccer13: alright... we got the idea, i think
8:33:45 PM Rafiki2588: yea
8:33:50 PM ctsoccer13: lets focus, for now, on divvying up the proposal parts
8:33:58 PM Alicia1741: ok so we need to write 2-3 pages proposing our idea
8:34:11 PM John: and make a schedule
8:34:16 PM Alicia1741: i don't know how we would divide that up?
8:34:31 PM Rafiki2588: Make john do the whole thing by himself
8:34:44 PM ctsoccer13: intro, problem, objective, schedule
8:34:47 PM ctsoccer13: conclusion
8:34:47 PM John: like in ENG1o1
8:34:55 PM ctsoccer13: lol... ouch
8:35:29 PM Rafiki2588: we each jot down some bullet points and someone
strings them all together or we can break it down the way chase said,
though this is a communications class and we would need to adopt a sort of
universal style so it doesnt seem like 5 people wrote it
8:35:41 PM John: QQ... whens everyone free thursday night?
8:36:05 PM Rafiki2588: im free all night thursday after 415
8:36:14 PM Alicia1741: i have class till 8:45
8:36:20 PM Alicia1741: so.. 9
8:36:47 PM Alicia1741: but i have 2 tests on friday too
8:36:50 PM Alicia1741: sooo... thursday sucks
8:36:51 PM Alicia1741: lol
8:36:55 PM John: wednesday?
8:36:59 PM Alicia1741: mucho better
8:37:07 PM John: tiempo?
8:37:08 PM Rafiki2588: i can do wednesday any time after 415
8:37:09 PM ctsoccer13: done at 5:30 on wed
8:37:20 PM Alicia1741: anytime after 5
8:37:20 PM John: how bout this.....
8:37:49 PM ctsoccer13: such suspense...
8:38:04 PM Rafiki2588: u write the whole thing by yourself
8:38:05 PM John: we each do some research and write our own mini proposal,
get together on wednesday, and combine them
8:38:05 PM Rafiki2588: ?
8:38:06 PM Rafiki2588: lol
8:38:15 PM Alicia1741: i think that sounds good
8:38:22 PM Rafiki2588: k
8:38:23 PM ctsoccer13: works for me
8:38:26 PM ctsoccer13: what time on wed
8:38:29 PM John: 7?
8:38:36 PM Rafiki2588: k
8:38:37 PM Alicia1741: sure
8:38:54 PM ctsoccer13: works
8:38:57 PM John: as a recap, our exact topic is?
8:39:17 PM Alicia1741: researching alternative energy for automobiles
8:39:18 PM Rafiki2588: alternative fuel powered cars
8:39:25 PM Rafiki2588: damn she beat me to it
8:39:28 PM Alicia1741: haha
8:39:29 PM John: LOSER
8:39:30 PM Alicia1741: yesssss
8:39:38 PM Rafiki2588:
8:39:55 PM ctsoccer13: alright, i got dinner calling my name
8:40:00 PM John: enjoy
8:40:01 PM ctsoccer13: see you all on wed
8:40:04 PM Alicia1741: alright guys, 7 on wednesday
8:40:04 PM Rafiki2588: later
8:40:05 PM Alicia1741: bye
Topic for proposal: Alternative fuels in vehicles
HW: write a mini-proposal to discuss and combine with others at next meeting
Next Meeting: Wednesday 3/11/09 @ 7PM